One last computer question for Oppo (I want to make sure I'm not being bamboozled by Russian fake news bots)

"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
05/01/2018 at 10:57 • Filed to: None

Is it true I could get a Pentium G4560 with a GTX 970 and pretty much run most modern games on low-medium setting and get 40-60 FPS? Because that seems a little too good to be true. But at the same time I’m not sure how much I trust the 1-2 minute benchmarks compared to actually having to play a game on that system for an hour or two.

Do any of y’all have personal experience or expertise to comment on the practicality of this?

I guess worst case I could just go this route, I’ll succumb to the Russian propaganda and not be able to play anything but CS:GO until I become a Russian fake news bot myself.

Now I need to go and research how a Ryzen 3 and GTX 970 would pair. Because I think that’d give me some extra performance so I wouldn’t have to worry about quite so many games being stuttery messes.

DISCUSSION (16)

PartyPooper2012 > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
05/01/2018 at 11:07

no idea... try this

https://pcpartpicker.com/

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
05/01/2018 at 11:09

Sorry I cannot watch the video right now but playing CSGO at 40-60 is painful. I would play at 80 90 fps on the lowest setting on my older rig and now I’m at 300 and max settings with the newer one. I would suggest wait it out till you can get a better rig. Its just too frustrating to play CSGO at such low fps. (I have 980hrs and was mg1 when I used to play competitive)

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > PartyPooper2012
05/01/2018 at 11:18

I already did, it comes out to about $570 with the pentium and $600 with the Ryzen.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/will2013/saved/XRfQVn

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > PartyPooper2012
05/01/2018 at 11:27

If I get a used 970 though I could knock $50 off of both of those prices though.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
05/01/2018 at 11:29

I’m gonna start looking at used CPUs. Because I’m sold that the 970 will be good enough for my needs, it’s just getting a better CPU to up the frame rates.

The main game I’m worried about FPS in is Rainbow six siege. And it has fairly low requirements for a modern game (not as low as CS:GO though). But I’ll check out older CPUs.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
05/01/2018 at 12:07

I have a system with an i5-6300HQ, 4GB gtx960m, ssd and 16GB ram, I can play modern games at medium settings and get 40-60fps pretty reliably at 1080hd. It can’t really handle 4k at anything close to those framerates or settings, but it’s entirely capable of a satisfying gaming experience, FWIW.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
05/01/2018 at 12:07

So I found out a i5 2500 from the 1155 socket (idk which generation) will run it at 75 fps average. That’s the locked version at 3.3ghz. I can find the K for $70 which could be overclocked.

The only thing though is that the ryzen 3 is also a 4 core with 3.5ghz that can be overclocked as well. So although the older i5 is cheaper, I could probably get the same performance from the ryzen for a little more money and have a modern AMD socket, instead of being stuck with the older intel one.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
05/01/2018 at 12:19

I’m pretty sold on the 970 at this point. It’s just the processor I’m still trying to figure out. My main concern is that in one particular game I wanna get a stable 60 FPS at the least. I think I’m gonna get the Ryzen 3 since it should be able to do fine, and I can overclock it if I need to for better FPS.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
05/01/2018 at 12:21

If you can, see if you can step up to a 980. Even if you were to buy the 1060, the 3GB model screws you over. The 1050Ti has 4GB of VRAM, which helps quite a bit with games that have gigantic textures. Plus, as I mentioned in my last post, the 1050Ti is fine for most games on the market right now. If you can beat the 1050Ti’s price on the used market when you find a 970 or higher, then you’ve got a winner.

And trust me, you’re going to want the Ryzen. The G4560 is going to be left in the dust if you want to play anything modern, as it’s a simple dual core. Even the cheapest of the cheap Ryzen 5s are quad cores and have a much better bang for your buck. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1400/3892vs3922

This tweaked build runs about $600, but you’re getting dual channel RAM (and it’s even faster, too!), a quad core processor, a decent motherboard with options for expansion, and an excellent power supply that allows for expansion. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WKJXbX

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > winterlegacy, here 'till the end
05/01/2018 at 12:33

After doing some more research I’m sold on the Ryzen now. I’ll check into used 1050Tis. I hadn’t checked into prices too much on the 970, I just assumed they’d be cheaper since they’re older, but apparently they’re still in the $200+ range with the 1050Ti. So yeah, I’ll probably go with the 1050 for the 4GB of VRAM.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
05/01/2018 at 12:35

That seems like a good plan! I had a 630M and a i7 4xxx with 3.8Ghz on turbo in the older laptop.

Now I dont know a whole lot about which resource (CPU, GPU, RAM, etc) CSGO is dependent upon, but just looking at the resource usage from XTU, CSGO seems to utilize about 50% of the CPU. This is more than any other game that I have played. So, if you plan to play CSGO seriously, getting a better CPU (than a ryzen 3 or a i5 2500) is advisable.

t0ast > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
05/01/2018 at 13:48

I was getting by with 30-60 FPS at low-medium 1080p settings on modern games with an overclocked AMD X6 1090T and GTX 570 rig (built in 2011) up until early last year, so I suspect you’ll do just fine, if not better with that combo.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > t0ast
05/01/2018 at 14:34

Yep, I think I’m gonna go with the Ryzen. Since it’s pretty much the same base performance and cost, but it can be overclocked if I need too; unlike the pentium.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
05/01/2018 at 15:17

Here... read this:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11658/the-amd-ryzen-3-1300x-ryzen-3-1200-cpu-review

And this:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html

And this:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

My main desktop system is an old AMD Athlon II X4 630 ... but it still decent enough for what I use it for - which is *not* playing the latest games.

And it’s nearly 9 years old.

In the time I’ve had it, I had to upgrade the video once to a half decent discrete graphics card because the initially-okay onboard graphics became inadequate after a few OS/software updates.

I’m probably gonna have to do a big upgrade at some point in the near future.

And that also reminds me that the system I had prior to my current desktop... an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ that I decided to upgrade due to a dead motherboard.

As for how well it will pair... it will be fine. Actually if you’re running any flavour of Linux, going with NVidia is usually better as there is typically better driver support.

If you’re using Windows 10, then go whichever card gives better performance for the money for whatever application or games you want to play.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
05/01/2018 at 17:32

Ohh, I never though about running Linux. I’ll have to look into that because buying windows is gonna be like an extra $100.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
05/01/2018 at 17:59

I use Ubuntu on my desktop system... and noticed a big improvement when switching to an NVidia based card since the driver support is so much better.

And there are many free games available and some for low cost.

The only time I would advise against taking the Linux/Ubuntu route is if there is stuff you want to run that is only for Windows or simply runs better on windows according to benchmarks. Here’s an old article that discusses this (Win7 vs Ubuntu 11):

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-oneiric-ocelot-benchmark-review,3121-22.html

However since that article, there have been improvements... for example, Netflix runs fine on Ubuntu now.

And here is one specifically comparing gaming performance between Win 10 and Ubuntu 16.10:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pascal-win10-linux&num=1

You can run windows apps in an emulator or on a VM, but you will take a bit of a performance hit and it’s better to run something natively.